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Re: Re: Wow, a Personal Trainer! (Reply to this comment)
by leiapt
I think you're right, Kris, about needing to maintain a negative caloric balance. The point is that some of us (such as those diagnosed with PCOS) have screwy metabolisms and find it impossible to maintain reasonable eating and thus a caloric deficit unless our insulin is under control.
Certainly some of the rules have double effectiveness--such as when the 60 minute rule means you skip the chip bowl at a Mexican restaurant. But that's not a bad thing, right?
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Sep 11 '08
6:05 pm PDT
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Success Story (Reply to this comment)
by smb72466
Well I have lost over 100 lbs on the CAD plan. I went from a size 28/ 30 to a size 16/ 18. The Hellers information is not new to addiction treatment. If you view the 'diet' from a diet point of view it makes no sense, but if you research what has been discovered about addiction it is the same principle used in treating drug addiction, sex addiction, etc... When addicts come off of drugs they often crave sweets because of the neurotransmitter connection. So to say that the information is not based on sound scientific info is not accurate. It is based on research for ADDICTION. The 'diet' is meant to address uncontrollable addictive behavior, weight loss is only a side effect. For those ppl that are not addicted the diet may seem to be fad like, but for those ppl that are looking for a plan that addressing the compulsive behavior to eat constantly, even when they are not hungry, or until becoming physically ill, this plan addresses that addictive behavior.
SMB
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May 25 '03
2:04 pm PDT
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Re: Re: Re: Wow, a Personal Trainer! (Reply to this comment)
by Kris.
"Let's see, you've cited a few articles, the Heller's cite over 100."
Which one of the studies he cited shows weight loss as a result of controlling carbs and not calories? Not one.
"My undergraduate physiology, cell biology, endocrinology, and psychobiology books support the Heller's explanation of insulin and hyperinsulemia."
Since when do these classes teach about the effects of insulin on weight loss?
I'm not arguing that being overweight doesn't affect insulin levels, I'm saying it's excess calories (not insulin) that cause weight gain. Eating the proper number of calories is the key to weight loss, regardless of you insulin levels. Carbohydrate Addicts is simply a reduced calorie diet, and nothing more.
"Also, your first citation has to do with insulin response and outcomes of low calorie diets, not low-carb ones"
Actually, it does compares high and low carb diets.
"and your second citation apparently deals with macronutrient differences without taking into account insulin response."
Huh? First, you aren't even refering to the right study. Then, you need to read Carbohydrate Addicts and see what they said about overweight people differing from other people in regards to insulin (I'll do it for you... p.41 they say 'studies have found that overweight people have much higher serum levels of insulin than do normal individuals'), and you will realize that the reference is relevant.
"Sorry, but I'd trust a PhD in biochemistry over a personal trainer when it comes to endocrinology."
First, neither of them have a PhD in biochem. Second, if I wanted people to believe me because of my credentials I would come up with something better than saying I have a personal trainer certification.
I think people need to think for themselves, not just choose who to believe without ever looking into the facts.
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Feb 14 '03
6:44 am PST
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Re: Re: Wow, a Personal Trainer! (Reply to this comment)
by spiderwisdom
Let's see, you've cited a few articles, the Heller's cite over 100. My undergraduate physiology, cell biology, endocrinology, and psychobiology books support the Heller's explanation of insulin and hyperinsulemia. Also, your first citation has to do with insulin response and outcomes of low calorie diets, not low-carb ones, and your second citation apparently deals with macronutrient differences without taking into account insulin response.
Sorry, but I'd trust a PhD in biochemistry over a personal trainer when it comes to endocrinology.
spider
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Feb 13 '03
1:36 pm PST
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Re: Wow, a Personal Trainer! (Reply to this comment)
by Kris.
You wrote:
I noticed in your review here and on the web that you dismiss out of hand their theory on insulin and carbs in the diet.
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If you're gonna knock their claims, you'd better be able to back it up with some facts.
Gladly. Here are some peer reviewed studies:
Similar weight loss with low- or high-carbohydrate diets. Am J Clin Nutr 1996 Feb;63(2):174-8
Differences in insulin resistance do not predict weight loss in response to hypocaloric diets in healthy obese women. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1999 Feb;84(2):578-81
Relationship between insulin resistance, weight loss, and coronary heart disease risk in healthy, obese women. Metabolism 2001 Jul;50(7):795-800
The effects of variations in carbohydrate, protein, and fat content of the diet upon weight loss, blood values, and nutrient intake of adult obese women. J Am Diet Assoc 1990 Apr;90(4):534-40
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Aug 01 '02
11:30 am PDT
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Re: Carbohydrate Addict's Diet? (Reply to this comment)
by Kris.
It doesn't matter what order you eat the meals in. You want to skip a meal (basically follow plan D)? Part of the logic behind this plan is to reduce cravings, and skipping meals could have a negative effect. You'd also be getting less fiber, vitamins and minerals if you eat less. Try it if you want, but add the meal back if you get hungry or lose weight too fast.
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Aug 01 '02
9:45 am PDT
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Re: Wow, a Personal Trainer! (Reply to this comment)
by Kris.
I didn't say that anyone should trust my knowledge of physiology because I'm a trainer. Plenty of trainers that get their 'knowledge' out of muscle mags or supplement advertisements, and I'll be the first to admit it.
So don't take my word for it: try Medline. If you can find a study that shows significant long term weight loss by controlling insulin AND NOT a negative caloric balance, let me know.
I'd like to quote from the book, regarding their idea of carbohydrate addiction:
p. 28 "Many carbohydrate addicts report that their cravings grow stronger each time they eat carbohydrates. In short order, they find themselves in a continuous cycle of eating, craving, and eating again."
--Doesn't this sound like a problem of excessive caloric intake?
p.30 "We told her about the scientific basis of her addiction, namely her overabundance of insulin, or hyperinsulinemia, and explained how that made her hungry. We told Carol that the diet was intended to reduce her craving for carbohydrates and, thus, her desire to cheat."
--And eating less helps you lose weight? Not exactly a revolutionary idea. Sounds like a lower calorie diet to me.
Also, notice even though they are doctors they don't offer to test for Carol's alleged medical condition at any point. Nor do they suggest that their readers get tests. They offer casual observations and untested theories under the guise of science. They have a big list of studies at the back of the book, but not one shows that people can lose weight solely by varying insulin levels.
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Aug 01 '02
9:28 am PDT
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Wow, a Personal Trainer! (Reply to this comment)
by brucec32
I noticed in your review here and on the web that you dismiss out of hand their theory on insulin and carbs in the diet. After all, you're a personal trainer, so you should know. Or should you?
Forgive me, but I'll take the evidence presented in a published book by two MD's who work at a medical school much more seriously than unsubstantiated claims by someone who makes a living by saying "push it Mr. Jones...one more rep" If you're gonna knock their claims, you'd better be able to back it up with some facts. You haven't done so.
I'm someone who walks about 10 to 15 miles a day behind a mower in the course of doing a day's worth of manual labor in my lawn maint. business, and a few years back I went from being able to eat 5,000 calories a day and stay thin to gaining weight if I eat anything more than 2,000, which is starvation to someone my size 6'0" 200 lbs. Obviously, there is something else going on inside my body other than not getting enough excercise or eating too much. Insulin resistance and carb addiction is the ONLY answer to why someone who is so active would suddenly not be able to stay fit on such a limited diet. So please, before you pontificate here, be sure you have your facts straight.
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Jul 31 '02
8:48 pm PDT
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Dieting (Reply to this comment)
by meepstah
I am very impressed by this review, not only is it well written but it also details a diet that sounds like it would work. I'm not quite in the market for a diet yet, but if the family curse holds true I'll be printing this out in just a few more years...
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Jun 26 '01
6:03 am PDT
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One comment... (Reply to this comment)
by dequebec
First of all, this is a very well-written epinion-great job. However, I do disagree with the nonchalant attitude of this plan towards exercise. In doing research on gestational diabetes, I have found evidence very well-substantiated in respectable journals supporting exercise as a means to enhance the efficiency of insulin and to maintain euglycemia (normal blood sugar levels)...so I would really be gung-ho on an aerobic exercise program if these were the goals.
Thanks!
Jennifer
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Jun 19 '01
6:24 pm PDT
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Re: Great reviews! (Reply to this comment)
by Kris.
Yes, I am a personal trainer. I also have a Bio degree, which is why I always whine about them screwing up their explanations about insulin and such :)
I'm glad you enjoyed the reviews.
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Jun 18 '01
3:01 pm PDT
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Been there done that (Reply to this comment)
by grandgram
I just did a review on Susanne Somers new book on Eat and Cheat. She has some great recipes with some good ideas of mixing and matching foods in your diet. It's that white sugar and flour that needs to be replaces. Also try Splenda a new sugar substitute with no calories. You can bake with it. I did a review on that as well.
Enjoyed your review
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Jun 18 '01
1:34 pm PDT
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Great reviews! (Reply to this comment)
by momsworkinlate
I stumbled across one of your reviews this afternoon and just read several of your exercise/weight loss reviews. They are great. As my husband and I are both striving for our goal weight and fitness I can really appreciate reviews in this area (and others :grin:).
You said you're helping a friend - were/are you also a personal trainer?
Keep up the great work!
Laurie
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Jun 18 '01
11:17 am PDT
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